Wayne Leighton talks about the book Madmen, Intellectuals and Academic Scribblers: The Economic Engine of Political Change, wrote by him along with Edward J. Lopez, on which they offer an economic framework to understand the political change within society. During this interview Leighton sets out the need of people clamoring for a transformation and how and when it happens. He explains the process of political change by matching up the three main factors: ideas, rules, and incentives, and stresses on how they all matter. Finally, he indicates that the so desired change takes place when the right idea meets the right social conditions.