During this conversation, Andrew Bernstein discusses what it means to be a hero, stressing on the fact that he or she does not have to be a perfect human being, but one that overcomes difficulties in order to achieve great accomplishments that will benefit humanity. He comments on Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead, in which she mentions the great features of her hero characters, who have a strong mind and independent judgment. Bernstein concludes by sharing his discoveries while writing his new book on real life heroes, as he praises the importance for them as role models to develop strong moral character and values.